30 January 1995

                                  Issued as RI-92i on 2 Mar 1995



    RI-92i 'Worse than Napoleon - Josephine de Beauharnais'



from Ron's Inspector


Message # RI-92i for Internet




(The data revealed in HCO Security Checks are not confidential.
 They are used to detect hidden crimes, and the data is used by
 the group to stop the crimes and to apply group-justice to the
 criminal, based on what he actually did, rather than on what
 others believe or are led to believe he did.
The purpose is to have real justice both for the criminal and
 for the groupmembers that have been affected by his crimes.)

(The abbreviations sF, F, LF, LFBD and F/N designate reactions
 on the E-meter, indicating mental charge (sF, F, LF, LFBD) and
 release of charge completed (F/N).)

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  OT HCO SEC CHECK ON  BABSI WEBER,                 30 Jan 1995
  (Suppressive Person, HCO EXEC SEC of MUNICH ORG)


ordered by Koos


(Reported per HCOPL 'CONFESSIONALS - ETHICS REPORTS REQUIRED')


                                                     30 Jan 1995
                                           Total hours: 5:15 min


30 January 1995..................................hours: 5:15 min


Babsi Weber on 30 Jan 1995, 7:55 GMT:

[Babsi:] "I do not communicate LF's to you.
 Before you destroy me I destroy you." LF

"I am furious about all these attacks on me."

"I am furious that my help is not accepted.
 Not by you [Auditor], not by Koos, not by some others,
 not by Napoleon,
 but he was an SP, I shouldn't have helped him at all."


[Auditor:] What are you withholding from Koos? LFBD

[Babsi:] "I shouldn't let anyone know that I helped an SP,
 that I was eager to help him (Napoleon),
 that I found myself much more clever in certain respects
 and that I considered [that] he came only to power because
 of my ability to influence people.
 But I have this ability to influence poeple,
 there it was for an SP,
 which wasn't good and I better do not mention it."

"But I can influence people. LFBD
 And as for that I have a high opinion about myself.

"And with Scientology
 I am using my ability for a very good purpose.
 I have gotten a lot of people to their senses." LF

[Auditor:] (Make right anger from Babsi.)


[Babsi:] "My ability to influence people:
 I can see what people are pretending
 and how to handle them
 so that they do what I want them to do."

"When I know people's buttons I understand them,
 and then I can handle them.
 That's how I operate.

"I watch out for the buttons of someone,
 that's easy, because people GIVE their buttons.
 Or they are already sticking out.

"If it for a good purpose there is nothing wrong with it."

([Note by Auditor:] Pressing buttons to manipulate someone
 instead of ARC to help someone
 is a heavy make wrong and done out of an evil intention.)


[Babsi:] "If I couldn't use buttons anymore,
 I wouldn't know how else to handle people,
 I certainly would be destroyed!" s F


[Auditor:] [There is a] slight willingness [of hers]
 to confront that she has used buttons to
 threaten people and get compliance
 and not at all 'to help them.'
 She is slightly willing to give up that
 there were such incidents.
 Also, then she didn't hide her evil intention behind
 a social veneer of 'I am doing it for their own good.'
 There was in it a 'I do not care to understand people.
 They are going to do what I want.'  LF's


[Babsi:] "[It would destroy me] if found out
 that I do not care to understand people.
 The only thing I care for is that they do what I want.
 People are not real to me.

"I have forced people into obediance by fear F,
 by false promises sF, by sex sF, by hypnosis." F


"If I had to handle everybody who wants something from ME
 I would be destroyed.
 I want something from others! They (others, staff,
 public) shouldn't want anything from  me.

"I must keep others away. I must keep others out of my space. LF

"They should wait until I come into their space,
 or [until I] allow them into mine.
 (Staff, husband, child, public).

"If I had to change that I would be destroyed.

"I want to make people wrong for
 being in the condition they are in.
 I natter covertly about people
 that they don't know how to handle life,
 and my offer of helping them,
 or being responsible for them (staff, family or public),
 is a cover--up."


"I derive a feeling of superiority from other people's presence.
 I think covertly: 'I am better than them.'

"But that shouldn't be found out.
 It would destroy me if I had to give up this beingness
 which creates space for me.

"Without that beingness I would sit in a crashed space.
 And that definitely destroys me."

"I have to keep LFBD
 people away from me to not be destroyed. LFBD

"If they all would rush in and tell me what THEY want,
 and what THEY want FROM ME, I would be gone.

"I must dictate MY conditions.
 I do not want to listen, I want that others listen to me.

"If no one would agree anymore that
 I have good intentions and am here to help,
 and it will be found out that I am not listening
 and I would be forced to listen, I would be destroyed.

"So I couldn't do my post anymore
 if you'd ask me to change anything of my operation.

"Then you would have destroyed me and me doing my post. LFBD


"As long as somebody does what I want we can be friends. LFBD

"This applies to Nina [Nina Voegtli, CO MUN ORG],
 to any other staff, to family, to public.


"I couldn't be a friend anymore
 if you'd want me to listen to you.
 We can be friends if you listen to me.

"If you tell me what you want and want from me,
 I am convinced you want to make me irresponsible.

"I consider I can only be responsible for you if
 YOU do what  I  say.
 Else I would not know how to be a friend.

"Telling others what is best for them, that's what I am doing,
 and that's how I consider myself to be a friend to them. LFBD


"I do not want to look at, I do not want to listen
 to whom I have in front of me.
 I just want that everyone listens to me!

"That solves all!

"Doing anything else would destroy me."
 small F/Nind


(End of this HCO Sec Check Session)

Total TA-Motion 13.4 in 5 hr and 15 min.



Koos Nolst Trenite - Ron's Inspector

Copyright 1995 by Koos Nolst Trenite


 reference:
  RI-50Ri 'Archives of RI-xxi and RI-ACT-xx series'
            of 28 Dec 1994, Revised and Replaced 16 Jan 1995