25 December 1995
RI-425i 'Standard Tech WAS NEVER ALLOWED inside
the Church of Scientology'
from Ron's Inspector
Message # RI-425i for Internet
OT HCO Sec Check on Mark Ingber, CO CMO INT (Commanding Officer
of the Commodores Messenger Organisation International),
ordered by Ron's Inspector.
(Reported per HCOPL 'Confessionals - Ethics Reports Required')
25 Dec 1995, 12:37 GMT..........................hours: 05:46 min
[Auditor to Mark:] What are you withholding from Koos? LFBD
LFBD's LFBD's
"I do not want to communicate to Koos,
I have been declared suppressive by Koos.
So, that's it. Why further communication?
I have separated from Koos."
[Koos to Mark:] We know that you have decided
to be a Suppressive Person,
but we also audit Suppressive Persons.
[Auditor to Mark:] What are you withholding from Koos?
F's F's F's
[Koos to Auditor:] This was the withhold,
that he doesn't want to communicate to me
because he has been declared suppressive.
Ask him what overt [what crime
he is committing on Koos]?
[Auditor to Mark:] What overt are you committing on Koos? F
[Mark Ingber:] "I am denying Koos auditing and training.
I am denying Koos Scientology [inside the Church].
"[My] Justification:
'I and the other Scientologists
in good standing with the Church of Scientology,
that is, WE of the Church of Scientology
are the correct and only Scientologists
who have a right to call ourselves Scientologists.'
"I, together with other Scientologists,
insist that the [administrative] forms
of Scientology organisations are strictly adhered to. LFBD
"The overt is
that in all this
is no place for Koos's communication,
and if Koos does not take the official lines,
he will be kept outside,
however good his intention might be.
"We have to safeguard the organisational pattern."
[Koos to Mark:] You are 'PTS to' [overwhelmed by
suppressive intentions of] L. Ron Hubbard.
LRH has made you into a Suppressive Person, now.
BECAUSE you, Mark Ingber,
complied with LRH's desire
that you help LRH to destroy
Scientology and
all Scientology organisations, and
all Scientologists,
you have become a Suppressive Person,
as you have admitted yourself
to be indeed your condition.
Koos has merely acknowledged it,
by then also declaring you.
[Koos to Mark:] What have you withheld from Koos about LRH?
(No answer yet from Mark Ingber.)
[Captain Bill Robertson:]
"In Mark Ingber's universe
as well as in many other Scientologists' universes LFBD's
'THE ORGANISATION'
has taken precedence over
'the individual'." LFBD
[Koos to Bill:] That's what Ron [LRH] is putting out,
the Suppressive Person is Ron now.
[Bill:] "Right."
[Koos to Bill:] Thank you, Bill!
[Auditor to Mark Ingber:] What have you withheld from Koos
about LRH?
[Mark Ingber:] "It has been LRH's intention
to rather err in the direction of
doing an injustice to a few individuals now and then,
which should be repaired in due course,
than to soften up the organisation.
This is my opinion."
[Koos to Mark:] This is not your opinion, at all,
but this is what LRH
wants you to believe is your opinion.
LRH has made you into a criminal traitor
and into a Suppressive Person.
LRH does not care one fucking shit
about the organisation at all.
If he had cared,
would he have put Miscavige in charge?
If he had cared,
would he have committed suicide in 1986?
If he had cared,
would he have thrown all actual responsible OT's
out of the now insane organisation
called the Church of Scientology?
No!
His only purpose in betraying Koos is
that his own crimes and Suppressive Acts
are not officially acknowledged. LFBD
To actually protect the organisation,
you DO apply HCOPL 'Ethics and Executives'
of 3 May 1972, revised 18 Dec 1977,
and you do NOT follow the evil justifications of LRH
and you do NOT make yourself into a Suppressive Person
in order to please LRH.
By this decision
[to make yourself into a Suppressive Person
in order to please LRH],
you have, yourself, become
an enemy and a traitor to LRH
to whom you pretend to be a friend and
who pretends to be a friend to you.
[Auditor to Mark:] What else have you withheld from Koos
about LRH? LFBD
[Mark Ingber:] LRH wants us, wants me,
to keep the form of the organisation.
It is inconceivable to me
that LRH wants to destroy the organisations."
[Koos to Mark:] Thank you for telling me.
To me you are an inconceivably stupid coward F
who has to be destroyed LFBD
together with all what he stand for.
This is, I believe, the third or fourth opportunity
offered to you by Koos to regain some sanity.
You are a full blown psychotic,
made psychotic by LRH 14 million years ago
and since,
and I acknowledge your intention
to also destroy the Church of Scientology
and the individuals in it,
under the pretense of protecting it.
You are too big a criminal
and a Suppressive Person now
to even be aware of the fact,
as you are currently
totally overwhelmed by LRH.
[Auditor to Mark:] What are you withholding from Koos? LFBD
[Mark:] "I do not take any orders from Koos."
[Koos to Mark:] How is that a withhold?
[Mark:] "This is not a withhold.
Koos knows that I do not take orders from him.
I was about to continue to say
that I also do not take any orders from LRH.
LRH has demanded of me to be ethical to Koos."
[Koos to Mark:] This was a pretense of LRH to you, Mark Ingber,
in order to make you believe
that Ron is a friend of yours, LF's
because otherwise you would have
declared LRH a Suppressive Person
for keeping Koos expelled
despite what Koos has done recently
to help LRH, and
to safeguard Scientology, and
to correct the Suppressive Acts and crimes
committed by LRH, in particular since 1982.
Else you would have
declared LRH a Suppressive Person.
Therefore LRH had to pretend to you
that he wanted you to be ethical to Koos.
He also pretended that to Guillaume Lesevre.
He also pretended that to Jutta.
He also pretended that to Koos
in order to cover up and keep hidden and secret
his intention to keep Koos expelled.
You have no idea, Mark Ingber,
of the depravity that LRH has sunken to
in order to cover up his crimes on his friends and
in order to cover up his betrayal
of his stated goals.
LRH is so depraved that his main purpose
for creating the Church of Scientology
had become:
'to be admired', and
'to be considered good now', and
'to have the right to not have himself
be looked at by anybody'
and so to remain insane himself
for all time to come,
or at least for the duration
of the existence of the Church of Scientology.
LRH was that insane
that he nominated himself
to be Admiral of the Sea Org
at the moment that he blew secretly
- irresponsibly left forever -
from the people and activity
which he pretended to be responsible for.
LRH DOES NOT AT ALL
want you to be ethical to Koos
and DID NOT want you
to be ethical to Koos AT ALL.
You are taking the HIDDEN orders and
you are following the HIDDEN intentions of LRH,
and so your statement
that 'you don't follow LRH's orders'
is a childish lie
to justify your own cowardice and your own
intention to destroy Scientology
and Scientologists.
[Auditor to Mark:] What overt are you committing on Koos?
[Mark Ingber:] "If Koos is right with his observations,
I commit the overt on him to not listen to Koos.
"Koos's accusations, respectively Koos's observations about LRH,
are a completely new factor
in getting the picture of what is going on.
"I can't deny that I was not looking at LRH.
Although it's obvious that he put Miscavige on post.
"'LRH did things right and others messed it up',
is a generalized concept I have."
[Koos to Mark:] This is the very concept
that LRH did put out about himself.
But, LRH put all the Suppressive Persons on post,
most of which Koos has removed now.
LRH himself put the Suppressive Persons
of the Guardian Office on post,
that is for instance
Jane Kember,
Mo Budlong,
Bob Thomas
and the people of the Controller's office.
He did this secretly.
LRH himself put the Suppressive Persons
of RTC on post,
and that is not only David Miscavige,
but also Ray Mithoff
and Marc Yager.
Furthermore Richard Reiss
(and Dennis Erlich) at FLAG. F
LRH REFUSED to remove these people
until Koos fully exposed them and
until Koos forced LRH
to remove these Suppressive Persons.
LRH is only PRETENDING to be
grateful to Koos for that,
because in actual fact
Koos exposed LRH's Suppressive Acts
and LRH's intention
to destroy [he still calls it
"safeguard Standard Tech"]
Scientology.
It has been since one and a half year
LRH's continuous practice
to blame others for the Suppressive Acts
he himself committed, LFBD
even while LRH committed those Suppressive Acts,
like creating the Guardian Office
and staffing it with Suppressive Persons LFBD
who were willing to fight enemies, LFBD
like creating RTC
and staffing it with Suppressive Persons LF's
who were willing to dominate Scientologists
and to kick actual OT's and
responsible people out.
Even WHILE LRH committed these Suppressive Acts,
he was hiding the fact
that he himself ordered and created
all these things.
For one and a half year, in auditing,
he has maintained
that these were the ideas of OTHER people,
that these were the ideas of Suppressive Persons
which 'he failed to detect'.
This was until recently,
when we pulled LRH's withhold
that he had all created and ordered it
himself only.
After we pulled this withhold,
LRH became violently evil
for a short while
till Koos got him under control again.
LRH showed his ability
- during his psychotic break -
to create illusions for OT's
while making those OT's
believe that this was reality,
despite the very strong previous reality
these OT's had of a contrary and actual reality.
Such is the force
which LRH demonstrated and exhibited
with the sole purpose
of covering up and trying to continue
his Suppressive Acts.
The underlying intention is
to maintain a good impression about himself
which he has now indeed caused
by creating Scientology.
He 'is good now',
and therefore his Suppressive Acts
must not be discovered,
and because his Suppressive Acts
must not be discovered
they must continue.
[Auditor to Mark Ingber:] What are you withholding from Koos?
[Mark:]
"I have been part of LRH's group of serene beings.
(see RI-362i 'The incident EVERY Scientologist MUST know'
of 17 Nov 95)
"My admiration for LRH [now]
has much to do with that time. LFBD
LRH was 'perfect' then, for me.
As well as LRH, in connection with Scientology,
is for me the most perfect being there is,
and it is upsetting..., it is hard to convince myself
that it is different."
[Auditor to Mark:] What overt are you committing on Koos? F
"I refuse to consider Koos's viewpoint. LFBD
That is an overt: I have NOT looked at Ron, Koos HAS. LFBD
I cannot outrightly reject Koos's viewpoint
[just] because I do not like what he looks at
and what he has detected."
[Koos to Mark:] You can thank Koos on your knees
that Koos did and does look,
and Koos suggests that you stop
being a Suppressive Person.
Or are you still too insane for that?
[Mark Ingber:] "I will look at Ron to get more reality about him."
[Koos to Mark:] You are forbidden by 'Standard Tech'
to look at LRH.
So I take it, this is but one more
of your empty promises?
[Mark:] "I said: I will look at LRH. LFBD
"It is not a promise.
It is not a promise that I will find the same things
Koos saw."
[Koos to Mark:] I repeat:
You are forbidden by 'Standard Tech'
to look at LRH.
For that reason I understand
your promise or suggestion
to be completely void of any reality
or substance.
[Mark Ingber:] "So what do you, Koos, suggest then?
I am forbidden to look, as you say.
Do you want me to look? Ok, you do.
How am I forbidden?"
[Koos to Mark:] Well, who is going to Case-Supervise
this action for you?
[Mark:] "I get your viewpoint."
[Koos to Mark:] Is my viewpoint correct or not?
[Mark:] "I would not find a Case Supervisor
who would help me to find out
what Koos suggests:
that I am 'PTS to' [overwhelmed by] LRH,
that LRH is suppressive."
[Koos to Mark:] So, is it correct
that 'Standard Tech' forbids you
to properly look at LRH?
[Mark:] "We shouldn't say Standard Tech,
because standard Standard should be
that it IS possible to look at ANYTHING.
"But I guess I would rather find LFBD
Case Supervisors willing to ask ME:
'What have you done to LRH?'
considering it natter [destructive criticism]
when I would want to look at LRH
in the sense of finding out
whether he committed overts on us.
Or I would get a Condition of Doubt [assigned to me].
"Nonsense,
I do not doubt LRH as having developed for us
something fantastic
- and that is expressed in 'Scientology'.
"I can look - if I want to - myself
without Case Supervisor, I just look.
"Now supposed: I realize I am PTS to LRH.
Someone is PTS to a Suppressive.
"How much agreement do you think I would get
if I told the group: 'LRH is a Suppressive'?
How much agreement do you think you get for it?
And how much is yap yap natter
and finding you great
and 'we knew that all the time'
kind of reply, by Suppressive Persons?"
[Koos to Mark:] In order to become 'un-PTS',
you will have to look at the evil intentions
and Suppressive Acts
which LRH is committing on you now
and at those
which LRH has committed on you in the past.
This has nothing to do
with you getting agreement from others.
Also, you can only be a friend to LRH
by looking
at him, and [at] what he does and has done.
The point is,
that what you call standard 'Standard Tech'
is not available within
the Church of Scientology
and is forbidden
inside the Church of Scientology.
Nobody within the Church of Scientology
is allowed to be a friend to LRH.
All friends LRH had, actual friends,
have been kicked out by LRH himself
and are currently non-Church Scientologists.
LRH has dug or created his own grave
with the current Church of Scientology,
leaving him insane forever,
because nobody is allowed to look at him
with Standard Tech.
Nobody within the Church of Scientology
is allowed to take responsibility for LRH
and to be an ACTUAL friend to LRH.
It would be interesting to find out
which withholds David Mayo
missed on [nearly found out about] LRH,
before LRH threw him out,
and started to utterly
and completely destroy David Mayo.
So where are you, Mark Ingber, in all this?
You do not want to take any responsibility
for your own sanity
nor for the sanity of LRH
nor for the sanity of the Church of Scientology.
You are just a leaf in the wind,
pretending to hold a post,
with no desire to change any conditions.
Your main concern is
to be in a condition of serenity
and thereby be a Suppressive Person yourself.
(RI-399i 'LRH on Solving Things by SERENITY' of 5 Dec 1995)
[Auditor to Mark Ingber:] What are you withholding from Koos?
[Mark:] "I want to stay in the Sea Org.
I want to stay on post [as CO CMO INT].
IF I START TO LOOK
in the sense Koos wants me to look,
I WILL NOT MAINTAIN MY POSITION.
"BECAUSE I AM FORBIDDEN BY STANDARD TECH
TO LOOK AT LRH,
EXCEPT TO FIND OUT HOW RIGHT AND ADMIRABLE HE IS.
"And if I do more than that,
it will be considered natter and suppressive.
"If do NOT look, I help LRH to destroy Scientology,
and that also does not safeguard
my stay on post and in the Sea Org.
"So, a nice choice I have! LFBD
"This would give validity to Koos's theory or observation
that all the good Scientologists LFBD
- those who look -
are outside of the Church of Scientology.
"So, they are right - but out.
"What are they DOING there?
How effective are THEY?
How effective IS the Church of Scientology?
How effective COULD we be?"
(Mark is looking.) LFBD
[Mark:] "I would not like to be outside,
and RIGHT, and ineffective.
And the consideration
'I rather am inside and
only comparably effective and
close my eyes'
seems to be an apathetic statement,
specially if uttered
by someone of the top level of Management [as I am]
to whom others look up for guidance."
[Note by Auditor:] Mark Ingber is upset
about the 'solutions'
which both do not satisfy him.
[Koos to Mark:] How much have you, Mark Ingber,
helped LRH to establish the
RTC Nazi-Regime in the Church of Scientology
and do you have any desire
to return the Church of Scientology
back to sanity?
[Mark Ingber:] LFBD
"I have helped neither LRH,
nor Miscavige to establish it.
"But I have assisted it,
collaborated,
reinforced it.
"And - to tell you frankly -
I rather wait for someone
to change conditions
than do it myself,
as I noticed when I was talking about
people waiting for Top Management
to make decisions.
I am in Top Management
and still 'wait' for someone
to make decisions about bettering affairs."
[Koos to Mark:] Thank you [for telling me].
[Auditor to Mark Ingber:] What overt are you committing on Koos?
"I ward off any demands for responsibility,
by
- pretending responsibility
- insisting that, compared to non-Scientologists,
I am very active and give humanity a valuable service."
[Note by Auditor:] He sees a lot of things
but he doesn't want to act.
[Auditor to Mark Ingber:] Koos indicates to you
that you rather want to stay in serenity,
and we therefore end the session. LFBD
(End of the HCO Sec Check session)
Highly specialized OT HCO Sec Check Auditing
at 700 US $ per hour, makes 4,037 US $ total costs.
Koos Nolst Trenite - Ron's Inspector
Copyright 1995 by Koos Nolst Trenite
references:
RI-99i 'Mark Ingber on Guillaume and SP Yager' of 5 Mar 95
RI-206i 'Most Ethical INT-Management Member, Ingber' 9 Jun 95
RI-218i 'INT June 23 Event - What happened - Future' 24 Jun95
RI-299i 'Mark Ingber (CO CMO INT) on LRH' of 20 Oct 1995
RI-346i 'Ingber (CO CMO INT) on How to Remove Mithoff' 11 Nov 95
RI-371i 'Mark Ingber (CO CMO INT) on Jon Atack and LRH' 21 Nov 95
RI-375i 'CO CMO INT Declared SP by Ron's Inspector' 23 Nov 95
RI-334i 'Anti-Scn OSA-''PR'' on Internet - Corrected' 1 Nov 95
RI-336i 'LRH since 1966: 'POLICY IS SENIOR TO PEOPLE' 4 Nov 95
RI-344i 'LRH Deserted You Already in 1966' of 11 Nov 1995
RI-361i 'Why LRH invited SP 'OT's' as staff (GOLD!)' 17 Nov 95
RI-362i 'The incident EVERY Scientologist MUST know' 17 Nov 95
RI-368i 'The War is On - Truth Revealed' of 20 Nov 1995
RI-369i 'The Background of Scientology's Intolerance' 20 Nov 95
RI-399i 'LRH on Solving Things by SERENITY' of 5 Dec 1995
RI-400i 'LRH on those who "defend" him' of 6 Dec 1995
RI-412i 'Newsflash - The Withhold of LRH' of 18 Dec 1995
RI-414i 'The Withhold of L. Ron Hubbard pulled' of 18 Dec 1995
RI-415i 'How LRH is destroying Scientology' of 15 Dec 1995
RI-421i 'The Charges against LRH' of 21 Dec 1995
RI-422i 'Where Was LRH Hiding before 1986' of 23 Dec 1995
RI-288i 'The Main Evil Purpose' of 15 Oct 1995
RI-58i 'Fair Game Series - Treatment of Enemies' of 1 Jan 1995
RI-10i 'Confronting a Suppressive' of 12 Oct 1994
RI-14i 'SPs in Scientology's Safe Space' of 23 Oct 1994
RI-24i 'Definition of 'PTS' - IMPORTANT' of 19 Nov 1994
RI-50RPi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - The Future' of 28 Dec 1994
Revised and Replaced on 12 November 95
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