19 September 1996
RI-698i 'Treat a Psychotic as a Psychotic (on my mother)'
from Ambassador for Mankind
Message # RI-698i for Internet
A psychotic responds:
"You can't expect my liking for you
if you treat me like that.
You can't expect my wanting to be in communication with you
if you treat me like this."
This is a problem people have with psychotics.
Confessional-session on "Ma" (Koos's mother), on 16 Sept 96, 11:29 GMT,
ordered by Ambassador for Mankind.
(...)
[Auditor:] Who are you? LFBD
[Ma:]
"I am a furious old woman LFBD LFBD
who doesn't want to take responsibility
for what I have done in the past, and
who also in the past
wanted to be 'left in peace' by Koos. LFBD LFBD LFBD
"Yes, I have rejected Koos, LFBD
and I do not know how to face him now." LFBD
LFBD-F/Nind
Total session time: 00:51 min
Highly specialized OT HCO Sec Check Auditing
at 700 US $ per hour, makes 595 $ total cost.
Confessional-session on "Ma" (Koos's mother), on 16 Sept 96, 20:05 GMT,
ordered by Ambassador for Mankind.
[Auditor:] How do you want to destroy
(Koos and "Pa" [Koos's father]) now?
[Ma:] "I try to not think of Koos. LFBDBD
"I tell Pa to not think of Koos.
"I am tired.
Why does Koos talk about being destroyed,
and being destroyed by me?
"I do not want to think of the past. LFBD
"I tell Pa to forget about the past. LFBD
"I do not want to understand what Koos wants from me.
"Pa is also tired.
He is tired of communicating to Koos.
"Each time Pa starts to reply
to Koos's communication
he gets attacked by Koos after a while
and disappointed." LFBD LFBD
"I tell Pa to not try to understand Koos, LFBD
and not try to find some truce,
Pa always tries to do that." LFBD
"I do not want to communicate to Koos.
I do not want that he communicates to us." LFBD
[Koos:] What do you want Pa
to NOT understand about Koos?
[Ma:]
"Each time Koos gets into lecturing to Pa
what to do and
what not to do,
and now Koos wants to tell Pa
he should treat me
as a psychotic person. LFBD LFBD
"I do not want to understand
how Koos can get so accusative that he uses such words.
"I do not want
that Pa thinks that Koos MEANS what he says."
[Koos:] You are a psychotic person.
And you are the one who knows that best. LFBD
You are a big liar
and you know that also best about yourself.
You are an anti-social being. LFBD
You wanted to get rid of Koos all your life
as you also know very well.
So WHAT IS WRONG WITH
TREATING YOU AS A PSYCHOTIC ANTI-SOCIAL LIAR
WHICH YOU KNOW YOU ARE? LF
[Ma:]
"You can't expect [my] liking for you
if you treat me like that.
You can't expect [my] wanting to be in communication with you
if you treat me like this."
[Koos:] You are again lying LFBD
because
you ALREADY refused to be in communication with me and
you ALREADY tried to get rid of me
LONG BEFORE I even found out
that you ARE a psychotic and anti-social liar.
I repeat my question:
What is wrong with
treating you as a psychotic anti-social liar,
which you know you are? LFBD
[Ma:]
"When you treat me as a psychotic
you upset Pa,
you upset your brother and sisters.
You upset the wider whole family." LFBD
[Koos:] The truth is
that the whole family is upset and
that Pa is upset
because I did NOT treat you as a psychotic anti-social liar.
If I had continued
to treat you as an anti-social liar,
as you are, as you know by yourself,
Weija would not have died and
Pa would have had pleasure
in his work,
in his job,
in his life,
with his children LFBD
and
with his friends.
But you destroyed that all
by making Pa upset continuously,
by making me upset continuously and
by driving the family apart,
so that there is only some social contact F
'out of obligation'
on Christmas and at an occasional birthday.
So by treating you as a psychotic anti-social liar
which you know you are,
I am making the family LESS upset, LFBD
and
I am making you LESS psychotic,
LESS anti-social and
LESS a liar.
I repeat my question:
What is wrong with
treating you as a psychotic anti-social liar,
which you know you are? LFBD
[Ma:]
"I do not see how that helps anyone.
It doesn't help me to communicate to you. LFBD
It hinders me to even exchange
the least embarrassing friendly words
which I would [be willing to say] under normal circumstances.
"How have you helped LF
your brother by it, or your sisters?
I don't see that! LF LFBD
"Are you in communication with them?" LFBD
[Koos:] OF COURSE a psychotic, anti-social liar
would NOT see that. LF
Your purpose is
to MAKE them upset with Pa
as you have done many times, and
to MAKE them upset with each other.
Your purpose is
to make them not see your lies,
which you put out
about Pa,
about Koos,
about your own intentions,
in order to make them believe
the most atrocious lie:
that "you were and are keeping
the family together and in good order",
in order to cover up the fact
that it was you
who wanted to run away
from the family and from Pa LF
and
that it was and is you
who tried to get rid of Koos, and
that it is you
who tried and tries
most psychotically and most anti-socially
to prevent the members of the family
from communicating with each other.
I am exposing out your very evil game,
because I think
that people are
a lot more happy,
a lot more healthy,
a lot more able
when they are NOT suppressed
by your vicious lies.
I THINK
THAT PEOPLE ARE A LOT HAPPIER
WHEN THEY HELP EACH OTHER AND
WHEN THEY ARE IN HONEST COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER.
All this
you have most furiously tried to prevent
and
you are
that psychotic and that a-social and
that vicious a liar,
that you are STILL trying to do that.
Have I made myself clear to you? LFBD
[Ma:]
"Not at all!
"Do you now want to be
in communication with me - or not?
"You seem to complain all the time
that you can't communicate to me,
and when you talk to me
you want to tell me what? To shut up? Or what?" LF's
[Koos:] Good!
I certainly do suggest to you
that you stop your vicious lying.
I am certainly suggesting to you
that you stop your psychotic and destructive behaviour,
I am certainly suggesting to you
to become less a-social.
The amount of psychosis
that you are putting out now,
certainly proves my point!
How would it help you
to be treated as the psychotic anti-social liar
that you know you are?
[Ma:]
"I ask you
what do you understand by
'treating someone as a psychotic anti-social liar'? LFBD
How is that?"
[Koos:] THAT IS THE WAY I AM TREATING YOU NOW,
WHICH WILL RESULT IN YOU BECOMING
LESS PSYCHOTIC,
LESS ANTI-SOCIAL AND
LESS OF A LIAR.
In other words,
I AM TREATING YOU SO
THAT YOU WILL BECOME SANER
THAN YOU ARE NOW,
BY ESTABLISHING TRUTH FOR YOUR AND OTHERS.
How did you drive
your daughter (and my sister) Weija
away from Pa? LFBD LFBD
[Ma:]
"I didn't drive her away from Pa!
She was afraid of Pa."
[Koos:] You are lying,
you wanted to drive her out, and away from Pa,
the same way as
you tried to drive me out, and away from Pa.
How did you drive Pa away from Weija?
[Ma:]
"I did not.
I told him even to keep a special eye on Weija."
[Koos:] You are lying,
which shows again
how big a psychotic and a liar you are.
How did you drive Pa away from Koos? LFBD
[Ma:]
"You were friends,
you were sticking together,
I complained about you to Pa and
made him into an authority over you, LFBD
which he didn't like, and
which you didn't like." LFBD
[Koos:] How did you drive Pa away from Weija? LFBD
[Ma:]
"I did the same to Pa regarding Weija." LFBD
[Koos:] Tell me precisely how you did that. LFBD
[Ma:]
"I asked Pa to keep an eye on her.
I asked Pa to tell her
that 'she is expected to be more industrious', LFBD
and
that 'she couldn't stay forever under our protection',
that 'she must learn to live her own life independent of us'.
"This over a period of some years."
[Koos:] In other words,
you wanted to get rid of her,
you wanted to get her out of the house,
you wanted to destroy her friendship with Pa.
You wanted to destroy her communication with Pa
so that Pa would give all his attention to you.
Is that right?
[Ma:] "No!
I wanted that she becomes self-determined
and stands on her own feet." LFBD
[Koos:] Good! You are lying.
When you had succeeded
in completely destroying Pa's friendship for Weija,
so-called "for her own good",
without Weija recognizing
that it was YOU who was secretly behind it,
- as well as you kept secret
that YOU demanded of Pa
to destroy his friendship with me
which I now know all about from Pa -
Weija committed suicide,
because she did not know about
your vicious lies and about
your anti-social and psychotic intentions.
Do you still maintain
that it was for "Weija's own good"
that you destroyed Pa's friendship for her?
[Ma:]
"I don't know what you are talking about.
I was caring for her.
Pa was caring for her."
[Koos:] OK! You are a psychotic, anti-social liar. LFBD
Nobody in his right mind
would call this "caring":
- destroying the love and friendship
of your husband for his children; LFBD
- trying to get rid of your children
so that YOU have
all attention of your husband for YOURSELF.
ESPECIALLY not if that results in
the suicide of one of his children.
Nobody in his right mind
would call it "care",
that you continuously demand of your husband
to NOT help his children
when they are in urgent need of help and
when he could have very easily helped them.
Me being in my right mind,
I call you an anti-social,
utterly selfish, viciously psychotic being.
Is that clear to you?
[Ma:] "How could we have helped Weija?"
[Note by Koos:
She still refuses to admit that it was she
who completely destroyed her daughter.]
[Koos:] OK!
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SANE IN THIS LIFETIME?
[Ma:] "I am sane!"
[Koos:] I repeat my question:
Have you ever been sane in this lifetime? LFBD LFBD
[Ma:]
"Sure I have been sane, LFBD
and I AM sane."
[Koos:] I repeat my question:
Can you recall a time this lifetime
when you were sane?
[Ma:]
"You are upsetting me.
I refuse to answer." LFBD
[Koos:] I indicate to you
that YOUR father, Jacobus van Bergen,
was an anti-social psychotic being.
(see RI-697i 'Telepathic Auditing for my Father - On Friendships')
Did you know that? LFBD
[Ma:] "No. I didn't." LFBD
[Koos:] So I indicate to you
that your father Jacobus van Bergen
is an anti-social psychotic being. LF LFBDBD
([Note by Auditor:]
It reads on the E-meter,
but there is no understanding from Ma
about the indication.)
[Koos:] WHAT DID YOUR FATHER DO?
(Ma looks) LFBDBD
[Ma:]
"I wanted to get married to get away from him.
He was stern.
He didn't talk very much.
He demanded discipline." LF
[Koos:] WHAT HAVE YOU WITHHELD ABOUT YOUR FATHER?
[Ma:]
"He didn't have much liking for people,
nor for family life." LFBD
[Koos:] I indicate to you again
that your father is
an anti-social psychotic being and a liar. LF
Why did you get away from him? LF
[Ma:]
"He knew only work, and
he considered me as one of his possessions, not more,
he had no liking for people.
"I wanted to like someone.
I wanted to be liked.
I wanted to experience warmth and friendliness,
which Pa [Koos's father] gave me."
[Koos:] You understand
that you are and have been
denying this desire to Koos and to Weija. LFBDBD LFBD
[Ma:] "I understand that."
[Note by Koos:
At this moment she gets out of her dramatization,
and can differentiate between times
when she was sane and
when she was insane.]
[Koos:] Thank you for understanding that.
[Koos:] Can you NOW recall a time when you were sane?
[Ma:]
"The first years with Pa, and,
when Koos was born, and
the joy of [having] our first house." LFBDBD
[Koos:] Recall another time when you were sane. LFBD's LFBD's
[Auditor:]
Koos's mother recalled times of being sane:
something with Koos's brother, LFBD
happiness with Koos's father. LFBD LFBD's-F/Nind
[Koos:] I indicate to you that there was a Release Point!
[Ma:] "Yes."
[Koos:] What happened?
[Ma:]
"I understand
that, at the times which I looked at,
I was satisfied with life,
and
at other times
with Koos or others of the family and
with Pa,
I wanted to be right,
and
I was seeing these times
as some hurting masses,
the times of wanting to get Koos away,
or wanting to be right, and
wanting Koos or others to 'do what I said'.
And my anger when they didn't. LFBDBD
"Suddenly [now] it seemed to me
to have been so unnecessary, LF
and not so right at all."
LFBD-F/Nind
[Koos:] Good! And how do you feel about Koos now?
[Ma:]
"I understand something of what I did to him:
rejecting him,
wanting him away, and
denying him my friendship, and
wanting that Pa changes his friendship for Koos
into 'being severe with Koos'. LFBD
"I can somehow see
how that was - and still is - for Koos and Pa.
"I can understand Koos better now."
LFBD-F/Nind
Total session time: 04:20 min
Highly specialized OT HCO Sec Check Auditing
at 700 US $ per hour, makes 3,033 $ total cost.
[The abbreviations F(Fall) LF(Long Fall), LFBD(Long Fall Blow Down)
and F/N(Floating Needle) describe reactions on the E-meter,
indicating mental charge (F, LF, LFBD), and release of charge
completed (F/N).
"LFBD-F/N" = truth found out. "ind" = indicated to the person.
See RI-610i 'Understanding the E-meter, correctly' of 26 June 96
RI-648i 'Simplicity of E-meter use, by UNDERSTANDING it' 1 Aug 96]
(The data revealed in HCO Security Checks are not confidential.
They are used to detect hidden crimes, and the data is used by
the group to stop the crimes and to apply group-justice to the
criminal, based on what he ACTUALLY did, rather than on what
others believe or are led to believe he did.
The purpose is to have real justice both for the criminal and
for the groupmembers who have been affected by his crimes.)
Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind
Copyright 1996 by Koos Nolst Trenite
reference:
RI-688i 'Handling parents - a psychotic mother' 7 Sept 96
RI-689i 'Auditing a psychotic telepathically' 7 Sept 96
RI-697i 'Telepathic Auditing for my Father - On Friendships' 17 Sept 96
RI-543i 'Dictators' of 22 July 1994, issued 2 May 1996
RI-629i 'Definition of "Care"' of 12 July 1996
RI-631i 'Definition of "Woman"' of 12 July 1996
RI-19i 'Artists and Ethics' of 10 Sept 1992
RI-592i 'How To Look At People' of 5 June 1996
RI-269i 'How to Handle Irresponsible People' of 26 Sept 1995
RI-537i 'The Right to Demand Awareness' of 15 Apr 1996
RI-242Ri 'Being There - Freedom to Act' of 22 July 1995
RI-449i 'A Rule For Freedom' of 14 Jan 1996
RI-262i 'Creating despite Suppressive Persons' of 20 Aug 1995
RI-274i 'Setting Own Awareness-Level - Use of Vital Data' 8 Oct 95
RI-235i 'Handling people with Understanding' of 14 July 1995
RI-514i 'Confessionals and Blackmail - VERY IMPORTANT' 16 Mar 96
RI-553i 'Decency and Honesty - Condition of Hiding' 7 May 96
RI-617i 'Controlling Evil Intentions, how' of 28 June 1996
RI-58Ri 'Fair Game Series - Treatment of Enemies' of 1 Jan 95
RI-90i 'The Intention of a Suppressive' of 9 Oct 1993
RI-126Ri 'Koos Nolst Trenite - identity' of 29 Mar 1995
RI-480i 'Koos Nolst Trenite - Life-story' of 14 Feb 1996
RI-217i 'Choosing Sides - As Ethics' of 24 June 1995
RI-50RQi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - Content and Use' 28 Dec 94
Revised and Replaced on 6 March 1996
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