29 April 1997
RI-852i 'Re my father - Part VI - marriage-counseling for him'
from Ambassador for Mankind
Message # RI-852i for Internet
"You are confusing here two things,
and that is 'tolerating' and 'understanding',
and further
you are missing the datum
that ANY individual, deep down,
doesn't like to be insane, and
that ANY individual deep down,
likes to get in control
of his destructive and irrational compulsions."
'Ambassador for Mankind'
Telepathic Auditing-session with Pa (Koos' father),
on 29 April 1997, 11:56 GMT
ordered by Ambassador for Mankind.
(An Auditor is someone who listens.)
reference:
RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997
http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/ri-771i.htm
(...) (continued from
RI-851i 'Re my father - Part V - his pretended help')
[Koos:] Is there an earlier time
that you were hiding the truth from Koos? LFBD
[Pa:]
"When Ma asked me
to 'show authority' to Koos
(and I cited the law [Civil Code on parent/child authority] to him),
when Ma wanted me
to be an authority for Koos
- which she herself tried in vain with Koos -
[then]
I actually was fed up with her insistence
to push something through on Koos which he didn't like, and
I was upset with her spoiling my having a good time with Koos.
"I was upset
about her making big issues out of something small, LFBD
[I was upset]
about her 'being a housewife'
[limiting her interest and actions
to caring for some food, and cleaning the dishes,
and even doing that very badly]
also when on the yacht [pleasure boat] with Koos,
[I was upset]
about her 'being a housewife' rather than being a wife.
"All these things
I did not want to tell her [about that upset of mine with her] and
I did not want to tell Koos [about it either]."
[Note by Koos:
He refused to UNDERSTAND her insane behavior;
he refused to get MORE understanding about it
by talking with her about her behavior
or by talking about it with someone else.]
[Koos:] And why did you not want to tell Koos about it, at that time?
[Pa:]
"That's not something a father tells his son!
But that's not the real reason."
[Note by Koos:
The major part of their
time, intelligence, efforts and abilities
is spent by these people
on JUSTIFYING EVIL, and on JUSTIFYING INSANITY.]
[Koos:] I would think that it IS exactly those things
that a responsible father WOULD tell his son
- if only in order to educate him about life.
So what WAS the real reason for not telling Koos about it?"
[Pa:]
"I did not want to tell Ma openly about it.
That was the real reason."
[Koos:] I think the real reason was
that you wanted to
let Ma be as insane and as destructive
as she wanted [compulsively] to be and
leave Ma as insane and as destructive
as she was.
Is that correct?
[Pa:]
"I thought that
in a good marriage
one swallows certain things.
One tolerates certain things.
"And
I thought it was ME who wasn't good in tolerating,
as I saw myself resorting
to hidden tiny attacks on Ma, and
to ironical remarks, and
I definitely thought
this is not something for children to know."
[Note by Koos:
The truth is that
Ma would have blown up in his face
if Pa HAD talked with her about it,
so as to make him see the "fault", HER fault actually,
as "caused by him".
But already before she would blow up in his face,
she MAKES him believe - by sheer intention of evil -
that HE did it all wrong.]
[Koos:] You are confusing here two things,
and that is 'tolerating' and 'understanding', and
further you are missing the datum
that ANY individual, deep down,
doesn't like to be insane, and
that ANY individual deep down,
likes to get in control
of his destructive and irrational compulsions.
You may have to tolerate [let happen, allow]
some of these compulsions
in order to help a person
to get his compulsions under his control.
But that's STILL done out of an understanding
of the person and of his compulsions.
Control is needed, however,
as part of a tolerant understanding
which then results in
assisting a person
to get his destructive compulsions under his own control
[after you have controlled it
for him or together with him (or her)].
Do you understand that?
[Pa:]
"Yes, I can understand that,
but I have never seen it as my role towards Ma."
[Note by Koos:
He does not want to help people to become saner
- although he pretends to want to be a teacher.
We will see later (in the following RI-Bulletins)
why he considers it contra-survival
to help people to become saner.
As this is a very common attitude (found in many people)
it is well worth knowing about.]
[Koos:] Good.
It WOULD have been the role of
any husband towards his wife.
As well as towards his children.
And the same of course applies to the role
a wife towards her husband and her children. LFBD
Furthermore, it applies to any friendship and
furthermore it applies to any other personal relationship as well.
And this is apparently the only way out of
your present situation and condition of
being completely
overwhelmed by and
under the thumb of a very insane,
very destructive, very suppressive wife.
You did set - and you are setting - an extremely bad example
to your children and, in general, to other people as well.
Do you understand this?
[Pa:]
"What do you want of me!
"I can't live together with Ma
while seeing in her [what she IS (Note by Koos)]:
An extremely insane wife and how else you described her.
"She is already very upset
about your calling her like that."
[Koos:] Well! Tough luck for you and for her!
She is like that, REGARDLESS OF
whether you call her like that or not.
[And when you DON'T accept her and treat her as she actually IS,
you will only
harm her further and drive her further insane.]
You are only trying to cover up
that you want to LET her
be as insane and as destructive as she is, and
you even want to make her
more insane and more destructive than that,
by your recently even demanding of her
that she lies to me on the phone.
SO YOU YOURSELF ARE CONTINUOUSLY
DRIVING HER
MORE INSANE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE AND
MORE MENDACIOUS [lying] AND MORE DISHONEST
THAN SHE ALREADY IS.
You follow that?
[Pa:]
"That's a big packet to understand!
"You give me hope
that I can live together with her more rationally
- and then this hope evaporates again.
"Why is that?"
[Koos:] I don't understand.
What hope are you talking about?
What do you mean by
"hope to live together with her more rationally"?
[Pa:]
"I was very upset about you
when you suggested [in an earlier, unpublished session]
that I should separate from Ma,
or maybe I thought only that you suggested it.
"I am not going to separate from Ma! LFBD
"But if I can help her in
being more logical and in
being less 'against you' and 'against our contacts',
I gladly will do that."
[Koos:] Now I do understand. Thank you.
That is of course the last possible solution
[to separate from her].
But
you being a slave to her evil and destructive intentions and
you even demanding of her to lie to me, and
your refusal to communicate to me,
did not show
that you had that intention at all [to help her to become saner]
- quite the contrary! LFBD
You understand that?
[Pa:]
"Yes, I understand that."
[Koos:] So, which way do you want to go now [regarding her]?
[Pa:]
"I understand
that my hidden nagging of her
- which I used to employ
instead of telling her what I didn't like of her -
was no help to her,
was also not a hint for her to change by herself.
I understand
that it would have been better
to tell all our children LFBD
what my hidden nagging of her meant.
"And it would have been better
had I just enjoyed the presence and company of my children,
instead of trying to be 'an authority' over them, on Ma's demand." LFBD
[Koos:] Very good!
So I repeat my question:
What way do you want to go now?
[Pa:]
"I want to take your advice, Koos.
"I want to live with Ma, and
I actually want to be able to be in communication
with all my children, that is, also with Koos." LF's
[Note by Koos:
He is not in real communication with the others either
- it is all social lies and pretended interest.
But the others don't care, and Koos does.]
[Koos:] Yes, I know that already.
And that's why I phoned you on your birthday,
and that is why you were very happy
to receive my phone call on your birthday,
because I saw that that is precisely what you wanted:
To be in communication with your children.
Do you see that?
[Pa:] "Yes!"
[Koos:] But it was a very frail intention of yours,
because
Ma has the very destructive compulsion
to prevent you from being in real communication
with the children, and
Ma has the intention
to prevent you from having real communication
to anybody else as well.
(see RI-841i 'My mother - regrettably, but true: a suppressive person')
So, it is very nice to want something,
but I haven't seen
that you are actually wanting to do any fighting
for your good intentions in the physical universe
[and not even in the thought universe].
Ma only has to
lift her little finger, or
look reproachfully, or
be upset, or
make a scene, or
go into a violent psychotic break,
and
you immediately stop your desire
to be in real communication with others.
[Note by Koos:
Pa wants 'no fights', 'no VISIBLE upsets'.
So all Ma has to do is
to become visibly or noticeably upset,
and Pa immediately gives in.
Now Ma got him so far
that merely the THOUGHT
THAT SHE MIGHT POSSIBLY SHOW AN UPSET,
is already enough for him to do exactly what she wants.
She is not necessary anymore to keep him 'in line'.
In fact, he now does it by himself:
He keeps HIMSELF dominated by her
without that she has to do anything.
He simply has the now fixed and 'safe' solution:
"What would Ma think about it",
which has replaced
"How would Ma act in response to it".
Does all this sound familiar to you?
Steve Biko (South African freedom fighter) said:
"The mind of the oppressed
is the most potent weapon of the oppressor".]
[Koos:] AND THE ONLY ONE WHO STILL DOES WANT
TO HAVE REAL COMMUNICATION WITH YOU, IS KOOS.
And Ma will fight like a lion, like an extremely insane lion,
as she always has done,
in order to prevent you
from having that last bit of real communication
that is being extended to you by somebody else. F's
So I repeat my question:
What direction do you want to go?
[Pa:]
"When you talk about Ma being insane,
I like to
oppose you and
reproach you of wanting to destroy
our relations,
the relation between Ma and me,
the relation between you and me,
in fact,
our relations as us three:
You, Ma and me.
"She reacts strongly to being called insane and
I am not going to tell her:
'I agree with Koos that you are insane'."
[Koos:] Good! I understand!
Who told you that Napoleon Bonaparte was not insane,
or who made you believe so?
[Pa:]
"The history books."
[Koos:] Good!
I indicate to you
that Napoleon Bonaparte WAS extremely insane.
[Koos:] Who told you or made you believe
that Adolf Hitler was not insane?
[Pa:]
"I think that he WAS insane,
but at his time, most people didn't dare to think that."
[Koos:] Did Ma tell you that he was not insane?
[Pa:]
"Did she? I can't recall.
"But she sometimes made me upset
by trying to explain things
in a way that show that she doesn't understand."
[Koos:] Trying to explain what things?
[Pa:]
"Things she doesn't understand, or
things which are difficult as a subject:
Politics for example.
"The concept [with which to describe her 'explaining' things]
is: She is 'justifying' and 'explaining things away'."
(...) (continued in
RI-853i 'Re my father - VII - Leopold on his son Wolfgang Mozart')
'Pa Nolst Trenite'
Total session time: 9 hrs 39 min
Highly specialized Telepathic Auditing
at 700 US $ per hour, makes 6,755 US $ total cost.
(The abbreviations sF(small Fall), F(Fall), LF(Long Fall),
LFBD(Long Fall Blow Down) and F/N(Floating Needle) describe
reactions on the E-meter, indicating mental charge (sF, F,
LF, LFBD), and release of charge completed (F/N).
"LFBD-F/N" = truth found out. "ind" = indicated to the person.)
(See RI-610i 'Understanding the E-meter, correctly' of 26 June 96
RI-648i 'Simplicity of E-meter use, by UNDERSTANDING it' 1 Aug 96
RI-687i 'Notes on E-meter use and Solo-Auditing' 4 Sept 96
RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997)
Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind
Copyright 1997 by Koos Nolst Trenite
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Personal Web-Library:
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References (available at the Library http://Art-Org.com):
(about Koos' parents and family)
RI-839i 'Recovering my father - Part I' of 26 Apr 97
RI-840i 'Recovering my father - Part II' of 26 Apr 97
RI-846i 'Recovering my father - Part III - Value of Telepathy' 28 Apr 97
RI-841i 'My mother - regrettably, but true: a suppressive' 26 Apr 97
RI-850i 'Re my father - IV - his marriage problem' of 29 Apr 1997
RI-851i 'Re my father - V - his pretended help' of 29 Apr 1997
RI-852i 'Re my father - VI - marriage-counseling for him' of 29 Apr 97
RI-853i 'Re my father - VII - Leopold on his Wolfgang Mozart' 29 Apr 97
RI-854i 'Re my father - VIII - Wolfgang Mozart on father' 29 Apr 97
RI-855i 'Re my father - IX - Leopold Mozart's attitude' of 30 Apr 97
RI-856i 'Re my father - X - Mozart betrayed by his father' of 2 May 97
RI-811i 'Telepathic talk with my brother' of 27 Mar 1997
RI-767i 'My mother crediting me' of 21 Dec 1996
RI-698i 'Treat a Psychotic as a Psychotic (on my mother)' of 18 Sept 1996
RI-697i 'Telepathic Auditing for my Father - On Friendships' 17 Sept 96
RI-689i 'Auditing a psychotic telepathically' of 7 Sept 1996
RI-688i 'Handling parents - a psychotic mother' of 7 Sept 1996
(about Koos Nolst Trenite)
RI-126Ri 'Koos Nolst Trenite - identity' of 29 Mar 1995
RI-480i 'Koos Nolst Trenite - Life-story' of 14 Feb 1996
RI-828i 'Koos Nolst Trenite personally visited' of 19 Apr 1997
(about understanding and handling criminals and enemies)
RI-058Ri 'Fair Game Series - Treatment of Enemies' of 1 Jan 95
RI-487i 'Dialogue: On Enemies and Hostility' of 20 Feb 1996
RI-535i '"An Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" = INSANE' of 10 Apr 1996
RI-646i 'FACING those who are mean or dishonest' of 31 July 1996
The 'Understanding Suppression Series':
http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/usp.htm
(about RI-Bulletins)
RI-380Ri 'Obtaining Truth from the RI-Bulletins' of 1 Nov 1995
RI-50RQi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - Content and Use' 28 Dec 94
Revised and Replaced on 6 March 1996
These and other RI-Bulletins can well be obtained here - or
at the Library of Koos' writings on
http://Art-Org.com
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