30 April 1997
corrected on 18 May 1997
RI-855i 'Re my father - Part IX - Leopold Mozart's attitude'
from Ambassador for Mankind
Message # RI-855i for Internet
"SANITY is survival, and
CARING for the sanity of others CAUSES survival.
"NOT caring for the sanity of others
CAUSES destruction."
'Ambassador for Mankind'
Continued from
RI-854i 'Re my father - Part VIII - Wolfgang Mozart on father Leopold'
Telepathic Auditing-session with Pa (Koos' father),
on 30 April 1997, 17:15 GMT
ordered by Ambassador for Mankind.
(An Auditor is someone who listens.)
reference:
RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997
http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/ri-771i.htm
[Auditor:] How did you JUSTIFY
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos [when he was your son Wolfgang]
was - not only in music - also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people? LF
[Note by Koos:
These answers are mainly about his time as Leopold Mozart,
when Koos was Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, and also then, his son.]
[Pa:]
"I considered it dangerous LFBD
to tell people the [observable] truth about themselves.
"I considered it dangerous for ME,
if I would do that.
"I considered it dangerous for him (for Koos as Wolfgang),
if I would encourage him to do so."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people? LFBDBD
[Pa:]
"I saw no survival value in it
(in letting people know the truth about themselves)." LFBDBD LFBDBD LFBD
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"Koos [as my son Wolfgang Mozart]
would lose respect for me [his father Leopold],
if I would tell Koos that."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"'Er wuerde mir auf der Nase herumtanzen.'
[German expression for:
'He would dance around on my nose':
He would not respect my orders to him.]"
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I ALSO would have liked to
tell some people the truth about themselves, or to
tell them off,
but 'I had to feed the family'. LF
"I didn't want to bear the consequences:
If I would ACCEPT Koos' [Wolfgang's] evaluation of people,
I ALSO would have to handle them
according to how Koos [Wolfgang] evaluates them. LFBD
"I see no use in getting very angry at someone
on whom I depend for finances and for employment
[at the Court of Bishop Colloredo in Salzburg]'."
[Note by Koos: What a slave!]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people? LFBDBDBDBD
[Pa:]
"Regarding Ma [now, currently, in my present lifetime]:
"I am depending on Ma.
[Note by Koos:
He is not dependent on her in any way whatsoever,
neither financially nor otherwise.
But she constantly demands of him
to be totally irresponsible for her and
to feel good about that irresponsibility
and he finds that somehow 'comfortable'.]
[Pa:]
"I don't want to face her anger,
if I would treat Ma as Koos suggested." LF's
(see RI-841i 'My mother - regrettably, but true: a suppressive person')
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"If I would tell Ma
that Koos' evaluation of her is correct,
she would get very upset with me, and
SHE WOULD NOT WANT TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE." LFBDBD
[Note by Koos:
And that would be terrible, wouldn't it?
He would not anymore get a constant stream of
illogical remarks, insanity and evil
thrown at him,
and that would be terrible for him
to get rid of that, wouldn't it.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"As regards the time in the 18th century: LFBD
I had no solution for LFBD
what I would do further,
after I had told someone the truth LFBD
about himself.
[Note by Koos:
If a person's wrong-doings are not told to someone
WITH an intention
to help him to improve, and also not
to prevent harm being done to others by him,
then such an activity is of course nothing else
than a degrading fight and mere name-calling,
even if the accusations are true.]
[Pa:]
"I was sure
such a person, treated like that,
would get very angry at me and would throw me out. LFBD
[Note by Koos:
He does not have the intention
to HELP someone, nor to IMPROVE conditions.]
[Pa:]
"And then, what would we [the Mozarts] have won? LFBD
People would have withdrawn from us."
[Note by Koos:
All these arguments are
"beautiful" (actually very ugly) ways
to cover up his refusal to care
for the well-being of others.
But they are very "logical".]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I did not want to encourage Koos in it,
because:
'It is difficult to establish relations,
but it is easy to break these relations'."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"'One wrong word and it all goes to pieces'." F's
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"Koos was already like that as a boy
(in the 18th century, as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart):
Always keen in his observations.
"But me, 'I had to feed a family'. LF's
"I did not want to encourage him in observing people.
"He would have made an art of it, and
he would have made everyone upset." F's
[Note by Koos:
Why did he not shoot me immediately!
Observing people and evaluating people
is the most vital thing
for any activity and any living together -
as any manager and any responsible parent can tell you.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"Koos (in the 18th century, and now also)
didn't want to look
whether it helps HIM or
whether it is 'to HIS disadvantage',
if he tells people what he thinks about them.
[Note by Koos:
But it certainly would be to the advantage of the people around
to be informed about
criminal intentions on them
or plots against their well-being!
And so it would, indirectly, have benefited Koos as well.]
[Pa:]
"Sure,
Aunt Mariet [a sister of Pa] is an old spinster, LFBDBDBDBD
but if you TELL her that,
she loses all interest
in staying in communication, or
in sometimes giving a helping hand."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I want that people have a favorable opinion about me." LF
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"It is all right
to evaluate people, silently, for yourself,
but
if you WANT something from them,
you can't call them idiots, insane, or psychos.
"You achieve the opposite:
They withdraw and
they don't want to have anything to do with you."
[Note by Koos:
He told me that as well on the phone, a few years ago,
when I pointed out someone's insanity
IN ORDER ACTUALLY TO REMEDY SOMEONE's INSANITY,
the remedy of which I then proceeded to carry through
successfully.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I did not want that Koos evaluates ME."
[Note by Koos:
NOW we are getting to the point!
In fact, this shows up all these people
who 'protest' my pointing out insanity of criminals.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I MYSELF didn't want to be evaluated by Koos." LFBDBD
[Note by Koos:
He thought that
- if he prevents me from or invalidates me for
observing evil and good -
he himself will also not be found out by me.
He succeeded in that to quite an extent,
as you can read in some books about Mozart.
He certainly has tried to cripple me in this respect
and so has contributed considerably
to my early death as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"'You can tell people
what you think of them as much as you like,
but then don't expect them to help you'." LFBD
[Note by Koos:
This of course entirely depends on
with what intention you talk to someone
about what he does wrong.
I happen to know people
who are extremely grateful to me
for telling them what is wrong with them,
and
they know out of what intention
I do that for them.
In fact, it is a major part of my current job
to point out to people
what is wrong with them,
and
then I let them LOOK at it
in such a way that they can remedy it.
Most of the RI-Bulletins are doing just that.
I am always very happy
when someone takes the care and responsibility
to point out to me what I do wrong -
in fact,
I DEMAND of my children and wife and my friends to do so,
as part of their responsibility for me.
But Pa has a hard time
differentiating those intentions:
Whether someone wants to help him to improve, or
whether someone wants to cave him in.
Jutta had that same - now remedied - unwillingness
to face and see the ACTUAL intentions
of others towards her.
It satisfies the definition of 'no sanity'.
(see RI-714i 'State of Sanity, Definition of' of 24 Oct 1996
http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/ri-714i.htm)]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I, MYSELF, wanted to be the authority on that!" LFBD
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I, MYSELF, wanted to APPEAR well-versed LFBD
in all matters of dealing with life."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"Koos shouldn't find out
that I had problems with asserting myself." F
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"It was all I had:
Some little reputation,
that of 'being the head of the family'
(in the 18th century, as Leopold Mozart,
and now in the 20th century as well).
"That's what Ma [this lifetime] granted me to be,
[and she granted it to me]
in order that she herself would NOT have to be responsible."
[Note by Koos:
Ma told him:
"You are the head of the family,
YOU do something,
YOU are the authority over the children
(but not over me)".
(see RI-811i 'Telepathic talk with my brother' of 27 Mar 1997)
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"I had no intention to educate people
towards being more honest, or more sane. LFBDBD
"For me they were as they were,
and I had to live with it."
[Note by Koos:
He often preaches that people - including himself -
'can't be changed'.
But that is done in order to camouflage
that he has long given up
really wanting to care for people.]
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people?
[Pa:]
"For me it had no PRACTICAL value
to have people properly evaluated.
[Note by Koos:
How insane can you get
- intentionally insane.
He really says:
"It is not survival to be sane!"]
[Pa:]
"For me, finding answers to the question
'How to stay in their favor' [at the Court of Salzburg, Austria]
was much more important."
[Auditor:] How did you justify
that you were hiding the truth
that Koos was also senior to you
in matters of evaluating people? LFBDBDBD
[Pa:]
"I did NOT have the intention to make people saner.
"I had to think of surviving somehow
and of how to get the family through [life].
LFBDBDBDBD-F/Nind [= We have now found out
how he justified all his destructive behavior.
The question has been fully answered.]
[Pa:]
"And 'Koos, as a family father,
ALSO should know that
[that one should NOT have the intention
to make people saner -
because NOT making people saner
is necessary to secure survival for the family]'."
'Pa Nolst Trenite'
[Koos:] I indicate to you that [in actuality]
SANITY is survival, and
CARING for the sanity of others CAUSES survival.
NOT caring for the sanity of others
CAUSES destruction,
(also of a family - as is well-proven by the fact
that your [present] family is destroyed,
not really existing for you anymore).
[And as Leopold,
he destroyed his family also to a great extent
- IN ORDER to 'care for the family',
as he liked to see it himself.]
(continued in
RI-856i 'Re my father - Part X - Mozart betrayed by his father')
Total session time: 2 hrs 58 min
Highly specialized Telepathic Auditing
at 700 US $ per hour, makes 2,077 US $ total cost.
(The abbreviations sF(small Fall), F(Fall), LF(Long Fall),
LFBD(Long Fall Blow Down) and F/N(Floating Needle) describe
reactions on the E-meter, indicating mental charge (sF, F,
LF, LFBD), and release of charge completed (F/N).
"LFBD-F/N" = truth found out. "ind" = indicated to the person.)
(See RI-610i 'Understanding the E-meter, correctly' of 26 June 96
RI-648i 'Simplicity of E-meter use, by UNDERSTANDING it' 1 Aug 96
RI-687i 'Notes on E-meter use and Solo-Auditing' 4 Sept 96
RI-771i 'Use of Telepathy' of 4 Jan 1997)
Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind
Copyright 1997 by Koos Nolst Trenite
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References (available at the Library http://Art-Org.com):
(about Mozart)
RI-018i 'LRH on Wolfgang A. Mozart' of 2 Nov 1994
RI-178i 'LRH on Mozart and Salieri' of 10 May 1995
RI-768i 'Past Lives' of 29 Dec 1996
RI-80RBi 'The Eternal Critics - Exposed' of 28 Jan 95, rev. 3 Mar 96
RI-853i 'Re my father - VII - Leopold on son Wolfgang Mozart' 29 Apr 97
RI-854i 'Re my father - VIII - Wolfgang Mozart on father' 29 Apr 97
RI-855i 'Re my father - IX - Leopold Mozart's attitude' of 30 Apr 97
RI-856i 'Re my father - X - Mozart betrayed by his father' of 2 May 97
(about art and about religion)
RI-019Ri 'Artists and Ethics' of 10 Sept 1992
RI-704Ri 'Real Art is not hard to understand' of 30 Sept 1996
RI-738Si 'Christianity - Love, and Guilt solved' shortened 22 Dec 96
(about Koos Nolst Trenite)
RI-126Ri 'Koos Nolst Trenite - identity' of 29 Mar 1995
RI-480i 'Koos Nolst Trenite - Life-story' of 14 Feb 1996
RI-828i 'Koos Nolst Trenite personally visited' of 19 Apr 1997
(about Koos' parents and family)
RI-839i 'Recovering my father - Part I' of 26 Apr 97
RI-840i 'Recovering my father - Part II' of 26 Apr 97
RI-846i 'Recovering my father - Part III - Value of Telepathy' 28 Apr 97
RI-841i 'My mother - regrettably, but true: a suppressive' 26 Apr 97
RI-850i 'Re my father - IV - his marriage problem' of 29 Apr 1997
RI-851i 'Re my father - V - his pretended help' of 29 Apr 1997
RI-852i 'Re my father - VI - marriage-counseling for him' of 29 Apr 97
RI-853i 'Re my father - VII - Leopold on son Wolfgang Mozart' 29 Apr 97
RI-854i 'Re my father - VIII - Wolfgang Mozart on father' 29 Apr 97
RI-855i 'Re my father - IX - Leopold Mozart's attitude' of 30 Apr 97
RI-856i 'Re my father - X - Mozart betrayed by his father' of 2 May 97
RI-811i 'Telepathic talk with my brother' of 27 Mar 1997
RI-767i 'My mother crediting me' of 21 Dec 1996
RI-698i 'Treat a Psychotic as a Psychotic (on my mother)' of 18 Sept 1996
RI-697i 'Telepathic Auditing for my Father - On Friendships' of 17 Sept 96
RI-689i 'Auditing a psychotic telepathically' of 7 Sept 1996
RI-688i 'Handling parents - a psychotic mother' of 7 Sept 1996
(about understanding and handling criminals and enemies)
The 'Understanding Suppression Series':
http://Art-Org.com/ri-bulletins/usp.htm
(about RI-Bulletins)
RI-380Ri 'Obtaining Truth from the RI-Bulletins' of 1 Nov 1995
RI-50RQi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - Content and Use' 28 Dec 94
Revised and Replaced on 6 March 1996
These and other RI-Bulletins can well be obtained here - or
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