16 December 1997
RI-982Pi 'Wanting To Be Punished In Order Not To Face Own Acts (Jutta)'
from Ambassador for Mankind
Message # RI-982Pi for Internet
('RI' stands for Right Indication
'P' stands for Provisional)
There are so many very important concepts in this RI-Bulletin,
that I want to get it to you straight away,
without added notes, clarifications, added emphasis or references.
These will come later.
Continued from
RI-981i 'Jutta RUNNING AWAY - from facing Richard Reiss driving her insane'
http://AmbassadorForMankind.org/ri-bulletins/ri-981i.htm
RI-980i 'Character of any heavy Suppressive Person - Jutta seen by Freya'
http://AmbassadorForMankind.org/ri-bulletins/ri-980i.htm
RI-979i 'Deserting Their Own Hero - Why (Jutta, Michael Jackson, etc.) Do'
http://AmbassadorForMankind.org/ri-bulletins/ri-979i.htm
RI-978i 'The Wall of Shame - Remedy of Hell, Jutta, Socrates, Black Magic'
http://AmbassadorForMankind.org/ri-bulletins/ri-978i.htm
On Jutta wanting to be punished
in order
not to face what she did and
not to make up for it,
but pretending that
letting herself be punished by evil criminals
is "making up" for what
she did wrong and is ashamed about.
Telepathic session on Jutta Nolst Trenite,
in order to help remedy her current
criminality and insanity while she has run away,
on 16 December 1997, 14:50 GMT:
[Koos:] What is Jutta wanting to be punished for
by now destroying her own life?
[Auditor:]
"Jutta 'enjoying' having
Implanted [given false awareness to] and
enslaved many people."
[Koos:] What is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she 'enjoyed' destroying the lives of many other people.
"She 'enjoyed' making them believe that 'she is better than they'.
Ridiculing them
for them being good but naive [unaware of a lot of things].
Saying that 'their goodness was just a pretense'.
"She admired a being who was also there
who was evil but clever.
"She was teasing people, confusing them
in order to see them go crazy, panic."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she was ridiculing their goodness,
with: '"Cleverness and hiding evil" is much better'."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That, just before she was doing this,
she had run away from a place
with people of her own intelligence level,
who were disagreeing with her."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she returned to her own group
and hid what she had done in the meantime.
"She did not inform her group
of what evil she had done in the meantime,
in order to make it
seem 'right' to herself what she had done, and
in order to make it [what she had done]
a source
of making herself feel 'great' (better than others),
and
she was justifying what she had done while she was away, with
that 'she had only done it in her own thoughts'
and 'they were unaware, tiny people anyway',
- like Jutta saying that her attacking you [Koos]
is 'only attacking you in her own thoughts'.
"The evil but clever person
who was also with it, whom she admired,
was probably the being Richard Reiss.
"So HE could have come later and blackmailed her with that
[with what she had done but was hiding from her own group]."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she destroyed the good beings
so that they were even MORE unaware
- they also did not know what hit them."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she later, when others had made her more responsible,
was ashamed of what she had done,
but was still hiding it.
"I get now:
Richard Reiss is still reminding her of that time -
Jutta thinking that
'it must have been very, very bad what she did there',
because Richard Reiss keeps 'blackmailing' her,
keeping it there in order to cave her in
(and NOT in order to
make her look at it and
make her saner about it ).
"I get now:
Jutta considers
that she 'should be grateful that
Richard Reiss punishes her for it', and
that it is 'very good of Richard Reiss' that he is
punishing her for something evil she had done in the past.
"I get a tiny grief-charge from Jutta on that."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
[Auditor:]
"That she WANTS that Richard Reiss punishes her for it."
[Koos:] What else is she willing to let you know about that?
([Koos:] I get here Jutta inhibiting my Affinity
for her having done that.)
[Auditor:]
"When she is fighting Richard Reiss,
she thinks she is fighting you [Koos],
or [that she is fighting] herself."
[Koos:] What is Jutta withholding about Richard Reiss
that she is willing to let you know about?
[Auditor:]
"That she pretended to him [to Richard Reiss]
that he was much more intelligent than he was.
"That she was telling him, teaching him [Black Magic]
how to be more evil more cleverly and hide it more easily,
while thinking he was a lot smaller than she,
so that he would not be able to do much against her,
with that knowledge she gave him.
"That she was intentionally making him more evil."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta withholding about Richard Reiss
that she is willing to let you know about?
[Auditor:]
"That she later pretended
that it was 'only in her own thought-universe',
that she was harming no-one,
that it was 'just a game',
that nothing changed because she did that."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta withholding about Richard Reiss
that she is willing to let you know about?
[Auditor:]
"In order to further justify it, she thought:
'When I destroy the people, they don't exist anymore.'
"And she also did this with this insane being there,
whom I assume to be Richard Reiss."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she was intentionally being evil there,
without any guilt, and was 'enjoying' it."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she admired this insane being, Richard Reiss,
for his being clever and evil,
but she still looked down on him."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"I get:
She wants to punish herself for the incident.
She wants to forget about it
so that Richard Reiss would seemingly stop restimulating it.
"She thinks 'If she is ashamed of it and punishes herself for it,
THEN Richard Reiss will stop punishing her for it.'
"But Richard Reiss only wants to be evil to her.
"I get:
When she saw him [Richard Reiss]
later [after she returned to her previous group],
she did not recognize him
from that time [of her destroying the good beings].
I get:
She thinking that he was someone
VERY high and VERY clever,
for knowing what she did there
'even though he was not there',
like he being a God.
"Jutta wanting to be punished
and
not facing that it is Richard Reiss
attacking in order to be evil
and not 'to punish her'.
"And she wants to be punished
in order to not face,
and
she wants to not face,
in order to be punished."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she does not want to face what she did there.
That she does not want to face what Richard Reiss is attacking her for.
That she wants to forget.
"When Jutta tries to make up, tries to do something good,
Richard Reiss comes along and tells her 'how bad she is',
and she wants to be punished.
"She does not want to face the evil of Richard Reiss now,
and [she does not want to face the evil of him] then, in the incident.
"In the incident,
she was seeing
his 'joy' of being insane,
and some of his evil intentions,
but
she did not see all of them and
she was not facing very much
the evil intentions that she did see.
"She saw the evil intentions in him
that she also herself has."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she wants to forget
about how she was in the past,
that she wants to forget
about HERSELF,
how she can be, and
that she wants to be 'how she is now'.
"This, as another attempt
to get rid of Richard Reiss' attacks on her,
by pretending that she is a totally different person,
that it was only that she SAW what happened,
but that it was not her who did it.
"That she is attacking you, Koos,
for you trying to make her face it.
For you trying to make her be herself
and for her thinking
that that is 'destroying her'."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she is attacking you, Koos,
for you making her face it and
that she considers
that you should NOT make her face it,
but you should punish her
and you should 'want nothing to do with her'
and you should 'kick her out',
punish her by putting out
that 'she is not worthy of being with you'.
"That she wants to be punished like that."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That you are 'forcing her NOT to feel ashamed about her evil',
by your wanting her to be
herself and
together with you do things in life to enjoy.
"That you should
EITHER punish her for her evil,
OR not be aware of it.
"IF you ARE aware of it,
THEN you should punish her for it.
"And Jutta attacking you
that you didn't find out ALL of it."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she considers that
'if you really want to help her, you should PUNISH her,
NOT try to make her face it and make her be herself!
"So she considers that
'your intention to help her is actually a pretense,
because you are not punishing her,
and you did not find out ALL of it.'
And
'if you do find out all,
you should punish her extremely much'."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"Jutta wants to make herself believe,
that when you are angry with her,
it is to punish her,
and NOT to make her be herself and overcome her evil.
"She wants to be punished -
but she wants to hide from you
or make it as hard as possible for you,
to find out WHAT she wants to be punished for."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she DOES very much want to be herself and enjoy life,
but she thinks that doing so is evil
because she SHOULD be punished.
"'Punishing her is something good'
as it is in return for evil she did."
[Freya:] She definitely has to become a Christian!
(see RI-738Si 'Christianity - Love, and Guilt solved' of 22 Dec 96
http://AmbassadorForMankind.org/ri-bulletins/ri-738si.htm)
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"I get her thinking:
'Richard Reiss is an idiot
for still not being ready with punishing her!'"
VGI's [Very Good Indicators]
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That with it she is not facing that
Richard Reiss just wants to destroy her,
and does not want to punish her for her misdeeds at all."
[Koos:] Well, it's a step in the right direction!
[Auditor:]
Yes, it's her seeing
that Richard Reiss is an idiot, and it is her seeing
that she doesn't have to be punished forever.
Some change occurred.
It's probably Richard Reiss attacking Jutta less.
Regarding Jutta
realizing that Richard Reiss is an idiot,
realizing that she does not have to be punished forever:
Maybe she is, with joy, anticipating the moment
when she has been punished enough!
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"She probably went [in 1975] to Scientology
in order to stop having to be punished:
'Becoming Clear.'
Becoming Clear is comparable
to stopping to have to be punished."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about it?
[Auditor:]
"That she does not want others to know about the incident
[of her destroying good beings
and pretending she only did it in her own thoughts],
so that they ALSO don't start punishing her."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know about Richard Reiss
'the idiot who is still not ready with punishing her'?
[Auditor:]
"That his joy of destroying her is showing
that 'he is ethical, and doing it with a good intention'."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about Richard Reiss?
[Auditor:]
"That he is an idiot
for not having finished punishing her.
For not having destroyed her for it already a long time ago.
"She thinks she deserves to be destroyed
for having destroyed those good beings."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about Richard Reiss?
[Auditor:]
"That Jutta is attacking you, Koos, covertly
for making her face
what Richard Reiss is actually doing,
and she is attacking you
for that you don't see it so
that 'he [Richard Reiss] is PUNISHING Jutta
for something she did wrong'
and therefore is doing something good to Jutta.
"I get now:
That, actually, she does not want to be destroyed.
That she has been punished long enough."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about Richard Reiss?
[Auditor:]
"That Richard Reiss is attacking her
and making her feel ashamed
for her 'right now being evil'.
"But he does it on things she does that are good."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about Richard Reiss?
[Auditor:]
"That she wants to be punished
for NOT stopping Richard Reiss
attacking her and others,
mainly for not stopping him
from attacking her."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about Richard Reiss?
[Auditor:]
"That he enjoys destroying her.
"And Jutta thinks
'she has to be punished
for then having made Richard Reiss more evil'.
"That Jutta wants to escape Richard Reiss attacking her
by not facing it,
by doing as if it is 'not there'.
"That she wants to escape facing him,
that she wants to escape your making her face it,
that she wants to be irresponsible about herself:
'What happens to her is doing no harm to others,
only to herself'."
[Koos:] What is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That, instead of destroying those [good but naive] beings,
she could have made them more clever."
VGI's [Very Good Indicators]
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"Her 'joy' of destroying those beings.
"Jutta deriving a feeling of 'greatness' or power
from this incident.
"At times when Richard Reiss is attacking her,
she, to defend herself, takes power from the incident
and pretends that that is 'being herself'."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she wants to
forget about the incident and
destroy herself,
so that it is not anymore 'her who did it'."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she is ashamed about having done it."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That these were very nice beings.
"That she enjoyed destroying them,
enjoyed being unrestrained criminal."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she is trying to make herself unaware, unconscious,
about what happened there."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she refuses to look at
what she ran away from
before she went to those good people to destroy them."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she refuses to look at
the evil intentions of Richard Reiss, in that incident
where she destroyed the good people.
"That she refuses to look at
what exactly she thinks Richard Reiss is punishing her for.
"That she wants to be punished
in order to not look at what she actually did there."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That the place she ran away from,
she was actually ordered away from there:
They telling her to go somewhere else
to take responsibility for,
and come to her senses."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she was sent away
for enjoying to want to do crazy, stupid, irresponsible things.
"And she wanted to be 'right'
and she attacked them
for wanting her to be responsible.
"That she just wanted to be right,
without looking at what she actually did."
[Koos:] I perceive, experience the emotion and attitude of it.
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she does not want to look at
what her real intentions were, then.
"That she just wants to be punished
IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO LOOK at
what her real intentions were.
"Which is also a PRETENDING to want to make up and feel ashamed.
Keeping up a good image about herself towards herself."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she does not want to face her 'joy' of being criminal,
that she just WANTED to be criminal."
[Koos:] What else is Jutta willing to let you know
about what she wants to be punished for?
[Auditor:]
"That she wants to continue to feel this
'greatness' and rightness from the incident -
instead of becoming decent."
[Koos:] What is Jutta willing to let you know
about her wanting to be punished?
[Auditor:]
"That being punished is making up for what she did
without having to face her shame,
without having to look at exactly WHAT she did."
[Koos:] What is Jutta willing to let you know
about her wanting to be punished?
[Auditor:]
"That she does not want to face
that she WANTS to be punished."
[Koos:] What is Jutta willing to let you know
about her wanting to be punished?
[Auditor:]
"That
because she is being punished,
because she is still now being punished
for what she did so long ago,
she can be criminal NOW,
as she is immediately being punished for it anyway!"
[Koos:] What is Jutta willing to let you know
about her wanting to be punished?
[Auditor:]
"That she wanted to be punished
INSTEAD of facing what she did.
"'If you make me face what I did,
you do something wrong,
because I should be punished!'"
[Koos:] I hear her say it!
[Auditor:]
"If you make her face it,
then you 'prevent her from being punished',
then you 'prevent her from being self-determined,
then you
'prevent her from showing how great she is
by letting herself be punished for what she did.'
'You must see how good she is
for wanting to be punished,
for (in that way) making up for it'."
[Which is not at all making up.]
([Koos:] [Mental] mass blowing, releasing,
on her times of her 'proudly being punished'.)
[Auditor:]
It is a lot of
Jutta wanting to be punished
IN ORDER TO NOT FACE what she did,
in order to stop looking.
(TA motion: 21.6 TA Divisions)
Total session time: 1 hr 58 mins
Koos Nolst Trenite - Ambassador for Mankind
Copyright 1997 by Koos Nolst Trenite
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References (available also at the Library "http://Art-Org.com/"):
- About Sanity and Care and Responsibility
RI-449i 'A Rule For Freedom' of 14 Jan 1996
RI-714i 'State of Sanity, Definition of' of 24 Oct 1996
RI-537i 'The Right to Demand Awareness' of 15 Apr 1996
RI-929i 'Simple Detection: "Sane or Insane?"' of 11 Sept 1997
RI-962i 'The Master Path to Life - Platonism understood' of 1 Nov 97
RI-738Si 'Christianity - Love, and Guilt solved' of 22 Dec 1996
RI-781BPI 'Raising Children - or Keeping Them Small?' of 16 Jan 1997
RI-631i 'Definition of "Woman"' of 12 July 1996
RI-629i 'Definition of "Care"' of 12 July 1996
RI-602i 'Definition of Power' of 20 June 1996
- About Richard Reiss
RI-900i 'The Spiritual Killer Reiss (FLAG - "Church of Scientology")'
RI-890i 'Flag's Richard Reiss - Why to remove him' of 4 Aug 96
RI-891i 'Flag's Richard Reiss - his intention to hide from Koos' 11 Aug 96
RI-892i 'Flag's Reiss - million times worse than Adolf Hitler' 19 June 97
RI-893i 'FLAG's Reiss - How he dominated a planetary population' 20 June 97
RI-889i 'Richard Reiss is "Safe" at Flag (in Florida)' of 17 June 1997
RI-889i-A 'More Black Scientology of Richard Reiss' of 18 June 1997
RI-746i 'Biggest Present Enemy of Mankind - Richard Reiss' of 26 Nov 96
RI-745i 'FLAG and Richard Reiss equals Black Scientology' of 14 Sept 96
RI-792i 'Destroying destroyer Reiss of Flag is MORE destruction' 16 Feb 97
RI-780i 'Removing FLAG's Richard Reiss the wrong way' of 12 Jan 1997
RI-761i 'Slaves of FLAG's Richard Reiss - VERY IMPORTANT' of 26 Nov 1996
RI-757i 'Making a violent psychotic saner' of 11 Dec 1996
RI-754i 'Bitter truth about L. Ron Hubbard and Richard Reiss' 4 Dec 96
(and many more)
- About Jutta
RI-980i 'Character of any heavy Suppressive - Jutta seen by Freya' Dec 97
RI-979i 'Deserting Their Own Hero - Why (Jutta, Michael Jackson, etc.) Do'
RI-978i 'The Wall of Shame - Remedy of Hell, Jutta, Socrates, Black Magic'
RI-972i 'Jutta: "How I want to destroy LIFE, since 1788"' of 4 Sept 97
RI-972Si 'Hidden but Executed Intentions of the paintress Jutta' 23 Nov 97
RI-976Di 'Psychose - am Beispiel der Malerin Jutta - ins Auge gefasst'
RI-968i '"Ron Hubbard is 'just an idiot'," does not handle him' 31 Aug 97
RI-940i '"Ron Hubbard is an idiot" as Jutta's "Solution" to life' 30 Aug 97
RI-965i 'Jutta and Ron Hubbard: "Dominate and Be Dominated!" - VITAL DATA'
RI-943i 'Jutta: "Don't face evil - Destroy Koos instead" - I' of 17 Aug 97
RI-944i 'Jutta: "Don't face evil - Destroy Koos instead" - II' of 17 Aug 97
RI-945i 'Jutta: "Don't face evil - Destroy Koos instead" - III' 17 Aug 97
RI-946i 'Jutta: "Don't face evil - Destroy Koos instead" - IV' of 18 Aug 97
RI-818i 'Diana Ross: Facing Jutta, the painter' of 2 Apr 1997
RI-521i 'On Jutta's Refusal to Help Mankind effectively' 20 Mar 1996
RI-789i 'PROPAGANDA of L. Ron Hubbard almost exposed July 1994' 6 Feb 97
(and more)
- About RI-Bulletins
RI-380Ri 'Obtaining Truth from the RI-Bulletins' of 1 Nov 1995
RI-50RQi 'RI-xxxi series Archive - Content and Use' 28 Dec 94
Revised and Replaced on 6 March 1996
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